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Because the rising platforms and Shy Guys arent big enough of a factor to ruin the competitiveness of a stage. Melee would be dead and buried if a guy in Grand Finals Game 5 could select Ice Climbers Mountain and stall the shit out of you.

@@uholysock3563 stalling is a thing regardless of stages, looking at you edge-stallers. No stage ban argument remains undefeated.

@@undereasy5736 So then why add extra methods of stalling? If thats such a big issue, we should try and minimize it, which stage bans tend to do

because most of them are really just unplayable

mostly cuz a lot of the weird stages in the game end up overcentralizing the meta around degen strats and spacies. its the difference between something like fox vs any char on dreamland compared to any char vs fox on like yoshis island or something sure, your character probably loses to fox matchup wise, but its still completely winnable on any legal stage on yoshi's island tho? when your opponent can so easily just go "ggs shake my hand" via waveshining you off the side, that isnt fun or fair for either competitors or spectators. it'd buff good characters even more and nerf the already high amount of unviable characters, and create even more ones. its sort of the same principle on why wobbling was banned.

That guy’s the best player in the world now in case you weren’t already aware.

what stages would you keep in

malding

Huge fact! Are you my soul mate or something, people that think like me are so freaking rare

I say the same, like, personally, as a person who wants N64 Kongo Jungle back as a counterpick, how is even Pokemon Stadium (not frozen, but most tournaments doesn't use any mods like 20xx or Slippi anyways so of course it's gonna be not frozen) still legal to play on, but not N64 Kongo Jungle when you have transformations with not good layouts, and then you just have a barrel, just a barrel and people already bans the stage for that, i guess people did it because of characters like Peach or Jigglypuff being very good at camping on the stage thanks to the stage being big, but then why just not ban Peach or Jigglypuff when selecing that stage? Like, for real, i can't understand it, #unban64kongojungle

Play on Corneria, and come back to this.

@@saltyralts I honestly quit playing it when they decided stages had to be the size of a gnats' butthole, movement speed had to be that of squirrels on ritalin, and the items became kind of... garbage. Somewhere early into Melee. I just always laugh when people play a game that was never designed for "tournament play" as a tournament game (because they suck at anything that is ACTUALLY competitive and fair, your Pokemon tournaments fall into this category :D ). Why? Because then they do this hilarious thing of, "We need to ban basically everything that would require I obtain a modicum of skill at the actual game and not the made-up rules we agreed on, in order to make the game fair". It's basically people who have no idea what the point of the game is, turning into something they can use to "feel good about themselves", since they're so worthless and pathetic at everything else in real life. The only Smash I even play competitively is the original on the N64 original hardware, because it's the most fair, most interesting, and most tactical of the entire franchise. I've been beaten by some really very impressive players, and it was always FUN, because of how wild it was on any given stage. I don't play with weak players who need to ban stages, items, and characters. These are just players who are admitting they'd be garbage if those were in play. So... no skill losers. But, I play for fun. Not to inflate an e-peen.

@@XxTaiMTxX I also play for fun. The people who decided the current stage list for Melee have been playing it for years--even their whole lives. This is how people enjoy the game. Also, Pokémon is literally the reason we have the Lavos post. You know the one. "Unfortunate does not even begin to describe..." Pokémon does, of course, require a TON of skill, at teambuilding, reading your opponents, and actual gameplay. It just _also_ has its equivalent to having a bob-omb spawning in front of you while you're throwing out an aerial. Melee players have reduced the game to the way the most people can enjoy it, and that should be something to be respected. You're basically shitting on a professional chef for his choice of pizza topping.

@@saltyralts The problem you've got is that you're going "the way I play the game is objectively the way most people will enjoy playing it". I mean... really? Or... are you only talking about the people who play to inflate their e-peen? It's weird to me that you even think that way. You like the reductionist and robotic gameplay that relies on reaction time rather than "being able to react to anything that's thrown at you". I simply think players who are more adaptable and don't need to ban anything or "reduce portions of the gameplay" are more skilled. Because, frankly... they can respond to more and are aware of more hazards and possibilities. And no... Pokemon is not "skilled" at all. 4 slots for moves means the most you can do with a Pokemon is set up a single gimmick for it, and that means if you want to capitalize on that gimmick, then a good chunk of your party also has to be set up in order to take advantage of it. There are no options to "swap strategy" with your single mon. The game revolves heavily on "managing to accidently bring the weakness to the enemy's party composition", rather than any form of skill. Likewise, unless you're using "overpowered" mons, pretty much everything dies in one or two hits anyway, which relegates most "buffs" you can apply or "debuffs" you can apply pretty useless. Especially when we talk about "elemental weakness" hits, which almost universally result in one-hit kills on anything that isn't already designed to be part of the singleplayer "now you're overpowered" experience. Your definition of "skill" and mine are different. Your definition of "fun" is different. Your definition of "fun" is the one that only 0.76% of all gamers use... because it only applies to that small percentage of gamers. Your definition of "skill" really only works in a game that is DESIGNED for TOURNAMENT PLAY. As in... You're playing Mortal Kombat, Tekken, Street Fighter... those types of games. Smash Bros is NOT designed to be "as fair as possible". It never was. Which means, the "skill" in the game isn't the thing you'd look for in a Street Fighter type game. It means, most of the "skill" actually comes from situational awareness, not having tunnel vision, and being prepared to react to random interference. That's the game, man. It is as its most fun when random BS happens to interrupt players and refocus them. It is at its most fun when you, as a player, get that random BS thrown at you and you survive it through skilled play. It's hilarious to me how many weirdos try to turn Smash Brothers into Mortal Kombat. Especially since the only reason they do it is because if they played a game that ACTUALLY REQUIRED SKILL... like those other fighting games... THEY'D GET THRASHED. Which... is why they don't play those games, and play Smash instead. They want to feel superior to someone, and that's how they derive "fun" from an activity. By the way, you want to see a monster collection game that really opens up the game to skill and possibilities? Track down "Dragon Warrior Monsters". The original is best since it gives you the most options for team and monster composition, but the newest one isn't too bad either. It puts Pokemon to shame in nearly every way possible. Pokemon is like "Junior's first RPG", and a bunch of adults have picked it up and went "ahcktually, it requires a lot of skhill to play". All so that they can feel like "they're good at something" in life, when they really aren't. I mean... is there REALLY any skill invoved when the entire meta for competitive play is "what are people using most, and how do I build a team to counter that?". Or, when that Meta is, "I need to know what mons the opponent is bringing to see if I have a counter for that". Like... WHAT? Do you even need to show up to the fight at that point? When all teams have a "hard counter" and a "no hope to win against this", is there REALLY skill involved in it? REALLY? Or is that just a really elaborate way to play Rock, Paper, Scissors and every tournament champ is either a cheater or insanely lucky?

@@XxTaiMTxX I get that you're trolling now. I feel like an idiot for interacting.

Tell everyone you don't understand Melee without saying you don't understand Melee

@@timmasters1195 found the ice climbers main

@@Chordgaille you said it again

@@timmasters1195 go take a shower and call your mother. She doesn't miss you but you still should